US Army surrogate threat aggressors (Hokum-X/Havoc-X/Hind-X)

retroistic · Veteran Member - Level 2

RE: US Army Havoc-X

Stingray · Administrator

Thanks for the info, Latex, and welcome to the forum! wink

famvburg · Veteran Member - Level 1

I was just checking the thread to see if anything new had come up, so sorry for the late reply. The "QS-55" Hind aggressors were just one of the Hind surrogates built or proposed in the late '80s. I had wondered if they had gone into service if they'd been redesignated to a QH-19 military designation. I think they were certainly worthy of being a Hind. :)

Stingray · Administrator

They definitely fit the shape close enough, especially when modified. This meant an easier target for Stingers, which apparently used shapes to ID their targets.

Also, still no joy on the Havoc-X, sorry. The search continues...

hillberg · Veteran Member - Level 2

Don't have a Havoc, But I do have the molds for a Hind-D It was a Ryan contract the finished Hind was 8 ft long 3 ft high a good sized toy,

Stingray · Administrator

hillberg wrote:
Don't have a Havoc, But I do have the molds for a Hind-D It was a Ryan contract the finished Hind was 8 ft long 3 ft high a good sized toy,

Yep. That was the Teledyne Ryan Model 326:

https://sites.google.com/site/stingrayslistofrotorcraft/teledyne-ryan-model-326

famvburg · Veteran Member - Level 1

Just found on my PC! Sorry for the poor quality, but it is a scan of a photocopy of a photocopy, resized. Sikorsky S-76 Hind surrogate proposal, front with stock with no vismods but Soviet camo and markings. Note the rear S-76 has Hind vismods. From the Magazine Defence Helicopter World, Oct/Nov 1988.

famvburg · Veteran Member - Level 1

Another one. Just found on my PC! Sorry for the poor quality, but it is a scan of a photocopy of a photocopy, resized. Aerospatiale Super Puma Hind surrogate with Hind vismods. As convincing as the "Red Dawn" Hinds if not more. From the Magazine Defence Helicopter World, Oct/Nov 1988.

Stingray · Administrator

Great finds, famvburg! Thanks!

hillberg · Veteran Member - Level 2

The molds for the Ryan Hind......one on the floor and molds up on the top shelf still moving in....

-- Edited by hillberg on Monday 14th of September 2015 01:07:29 PM

Rafale D · Veteran Member - Level 1

Seeing these multiple X designators makes me wonder, has there ever been a Hip-X or Hoplite-X added to the aggressor mod inventory? The Mi-8/17 and Mi-2 series seems to have significance as military gunships before the other types entered Soviet service and would certainly be perceived as potential threats, I would think.

Pepper · Veteran Member - Level 3

I wouldn't think an Mi-2 aggressor would be necessary, but a "Hip-X" sounds possible. I'm curious about that too.

Leela25 · Global Moderator

RE: US Army surrogate threat aggressors (Hokum-X/Havoc-X/Hind-X)

hillberg · Veteran Member - Level 2

A few years back I saw the Rambo Hind noses at Mark Thomsons Aviation Warehouse they looked in good shape..

Stingray · Administrator

You mean the Red Dawn Hind canopies? Awesome, glad to know they weren't scrapped.

About seven years ago a prop Hind fuselage from one of those movies was spotted at Pitt Meadows Airport, of all places. It looks about as crude and dilapidated as the explosion models that were used in those films, so it might've been a leftover.