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Osama bin Laden is dead!
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He was believed to be hiding near the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan's Federally Administered Tribal Areas, but was hiding in a million-dollar mansion in Abbottabad, where he was killed in an operation conducted by United States Navy SEALs and CIA just yesterday.

You will find official reports on many news sites.



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It's great news, but lots of other sources claim it was a drone strike. Others even say he's been dead for some years already, so what do we believe?



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Until I see some solid evidence (if there is ever such a thing) I will remain extremely doubtful and wary about the news. Everyone's raving about Bin Laden's death... but are we not being taken for fools once again? No images of the raid, or of his death, or the funeral, or the corpse's immersion... We are simply supposed to believe the official news releases...

Fabrication of fake threats and false evidence came so naturally to the previous administration that I can only be extremely wary of anything that is backed up by so little proof. The world at large is buying the story that they've been dying to hear for ten years, without a hint of a critical mind.

Fox News, Al Jazira and all this world's purveyors of official propaganda must feel really good tonight: they have ample proof that however fake, there will always be a majority of numbers to buy their news.

I am in no way saying that the whole story is fabricated: just that in the absence of solid proof, I just can't take White House releases for the Gospel truth.

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WASHINGTON -- When one of Osama bin Laden's most trusted aides picked up the phone last year, he unknowingly led U.S. pursuers to the doorstep of his boss, the world's most wanted terrorist.

That phone call, recounted Monday by a U.S. official, ended a years-long search for bin Laden's personal courier, the key break in a worldwide manhunt. The courier, in turn, led U.S. intelligence to a walled compound in northeast Pakistan, where a team of Navy SEALs shot bin Laden to death.

The violent final minutes were the culmination of years of intelligence work. Inside the CIA team hunting bin Laden, it always was clear that bin Laden's vulnerability was his couriers. He was too smart to let al-Qaida foot soldiers, or even his senior commanders, know his hideout. But if he wanted to get his messages out, somebody had to carry them, someone bin Laden trusted with his life.

In a secret CIA prison in Eastern Europe years ago, al-Qaida's No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, gave authorities the nicknames of several of bin Laden's couriers, four former U.S. intelligence officials said. Those names were among thousands of leads the CIA was pursuing.

One man became a particular interest for the agency when another detainee, Abu Faraj al-Libi, told interrogators that when he was promoted to succeed Mohammed as al-Qaida's operational leader he received the word through a courier. Only bin Laden would have given al-Libi that promotion, CIA officials believed.

If they could find that courier, they'd find bin Laden.

The revelation that intelligence gleaned from the CIA's so-called black sites helped kill bin Laden was seen as vindication for many intelligence officials who have been repeatedly investigated and criticized for their involvement in a program that involved the harshest interrogation methods in U.S. history.

"We got beat up for it, but those efforts led to this great day," said Marty Martin, a retired CIA officer who for years led the hunt for bin Laden.

Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.

It took years of work for intelligence agencies to identify the courier's real name, which officials are not disclosing. When they did identify him, he was nowhere to be found. The CIA's sources didn't know where he was hiding. Bin Laden was famously insistent that no phones or computers be used near him, so the eavesdroppers at the National Security Agency kept coming up cold.

Then in the middle of last year, the courier had a telephone conversation with someone who was being monitored by U.S. intelligence, according to an American official, who like others interviewed for this story spoke only on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive operation. The courier was located somewhere away from bin Laden's hideout when he had the discussion, but it was enough to help intelligence officials locate and watch him.

In August 2010, the courier unknowingly led authorities to a compound in the northeast Pakistani town of Abbottabad, where al-Libi had once lived. The walls surrounding the property were as high as 18 feet and topped with barbed wire. Intelligence officials had known about the house for years, but they always suspected that bin Laden would be surrounded by heavily armed security guards. Nobody patrolled the compound in Abbottabad.

In fact, nobody came or went. And no telephone or Internet lines ran from the compound. The CIA soon believed that bin Laden was hiding in plain sight, in a hideout especially built to go unnoticed. But since bin Laden never traveled and nobody could get onto the compound without passing through two security gates, there was no way to be sure.

Despite that uncertainty, intelligence officials realized this could represent the best chance ever to get to bin Laden. They decided not to share the information with anyone, including staunch counterterrorism allies such as Britain, Canada and Australia.

By mid-February, the officials were convinced a "high-value target" was hiding in the compound. President Barack Obama wanted to take action.

"They were confident and their confidence was growing: 'This is different. This intelligence case is different. What we see in this compound is different than anything we've ever seen before,'" John Brennan, the president's top counterterrorism adviser, said Monday. "I was confident that we had the basis to take action."

Options were limited. The compound was in a residential neighborhood in a sovereign country. If Obama ordered an airstrike and bin Laden was not in the compound, it would be a huge diplomatic problem. Even if Obama was right, obliterating the compound might make it nearly impossible to confirm bin Laden's death.

Said Brennan: "The president had to evaluate the strength of that information, and then made what I believe was one of the most gutsiest calls of any president in recent memory."

Obama tapped two dozen members of the Navy's elite SEAL Team Six to carry out a raid with surgical accuracy.

Before dawn Monday morning, a pair of helicopters left Jalalabad in eastern Afghanistan. The choppers entered Pakistani airspace using sophisticated technology intended to evade that country's radar systems, a U.S. official said.

Officially, it was a kill-or-capture mission, since the U.S. doesn't kill unarmed people trying to surrender. But it was clear from the beginning that whoever was behind those walls had no intention of surrendering, two U.S. officials said.

The helicopters lowered into the compound, dropping the SEALs behind the walls. No shots were fired, but shortly after the team hit the ground, one of the helicopters came crashing down and rolled onto its side for reasons the government has yet to explain. None of the SEALs was injured, however, and the mission continued uninterrupted.

With the CIA and White House monitoring the situation in real time – presumably by live satellite feed or video carried by the SEALs – the team stormed the compound.

Thanks to sophisticated satellite monitoring, U.S. forces knew they'd likely find bin Laden's family on the second and third floors of one of the buildings on the property, officials said. The SEALs secured the rest of the property first, then proceeded to the room where bin Laden was hiding. In the ensuing firefight, Brennan said, bin Laden used a woman as a human shield.

The SEALs killed bin Laden with a bullet to the head. Using the call sign for his visual identification, one of the soldiers communicated that "Geronimo" had been killed in action, according to a U.S. official.

Bin Laden's body was immediately identifiable, but the U.S. also conducted DNA testing that identified him with near 100 percent certainty, senior administration officials said. Photo analysis by the CIA, confirmation on site by a woman believed to be bin Laden's wife, and matching physical features such as bin Laden's height all helped confirm the identification. At the White House, there was no doubt.

"I think the accomplishment that very brave personnel from the United States government were able to realize yesterday is a defining moment in the war against al-Qaida, the war on terrorism, by decapitating the head of the snake known as al-Qaida," Brennan said.

U.S. forces searched the compound and flew away with documents, hard drives and DVDs that could provide valuable intelligence about al-Qaida, a U.S. official said. The entire operation took about 40 minutes, officials said.

Bin Laden's body was flown to the USS Carl Vinson in the North Arabian sea, a senior defense official said. There, aboard a U.S. warship, officials conducted a traditional Islamic burial ritual. Bin Laden's body was washed and placed in a white sheet. He was placed in a weighted bag that, after religious remarks by a military officer, was slipped into the sea about 2 a.m. EDT Monday.

Said the president: "I think we can all agree this is a good day for America."

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Associated Press writers Kimberly Dozier, Eileen Sullivan and Ben Feller in Washington and Kathy Gannon in Islamabad, Pakistan contributed to this report.



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555 wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-dead-one-phone-call_n_856674.html


 

rEad the comments there. "I feel bad for the shark that ends up eating this monster."

hahaha, that made my day! biggrin



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The threat is not over. Now that bin Laden is dead we have to worry about whoever takes his place, and what his succesor might do to avenge his death.



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sory about my laguage but s.hit is going to hit the fan preaty soon, Alquida is gonna hit back and hit back hard to avenge Osama's death



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One of the Pave Hawk helicopters stalled during the raid and crashed in the courtyard. It is not known for sure but it might have stalled from the other aircraft's downwash. It could not be flown after the accident and was rigged with explosives to destroy it.



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In the ensuing firefight, Brennan said, bin Laden used a woman as a human shield.


 

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-LightBox- wrote:

One of the Pave Hawk helicopters stalled during the raid and crashed in the courtyard. It is not known for sure but it might have stalled from the other aircraft's downwash. It could not be flown after the accident and was rigged with explosives to destroy it.


 

From what I hear it was downed by ground fire.



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With Osama Bin Laden Dead, FBI's Most Wanted Fugitive List Has An Opening, Big Shoes To Fill

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With a bold red banner and the long-awaited word -- "Deceased" -- the Federal Bureau of Investigation retired Osama bin Laden from its Most Wanted lists early Monday morning.

The terrorist mastermind was the only individual at the time to occupy both the FBI's 10 Most Wanted Fugitives list and its Most Wanted Terrorists list -- a testament not only to the extreme threat that bin Laden posed but also to the bureau's shifting priorities in the years leading up to and following the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

Bin Laden became one of the FBI’s 10 most wanted fugitives on June 7, 1999, after being indicted in absentia in a New York court for his alleged role in the 1998 embassy bombings in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. He joined the ranks of alleged murderers, rapists and drug traffickers, because at the time the 10 Most Wanted list -- a 60-year-old FBI program designed to enlist the public in capturing outlaws -- was the most notorious ranking of criminals in the land.

Contrary to popular belief, members of the list aren't ranked; bin Laden was never technically Public Enemy Number One. But he certainly stood out among his 10 Most Wanted peers, who carry rewards ranging from $100,000 to $2 million. Theirs are serious crimes -- such as James J. Bulger’s alleged 19 counts of murder, or Alexis Flores’ alleged kidnapping and murder of a 5-year-old girl. But all of their misdeeds paled in comparison to bin Laden's role as a mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks.

Bin Laden was also hunted for organizing a global network committed to bringing down the United States, reinstating a seventh-century caliphate governed by Islamic law and forcing nonbelievers to live by that code.

In the aftermath of Sept. 11, bin Laden found himself on a second list and in more familiar company: He became one of 22 suspected terrorists on the FBI’s newly created Most Wanted list devoted exclusively to such operatives. The message was clear: Now that terrorism had come to U.S. shores, all Americans could help wage a “war on terror” by being the government's local eyes and ears -- echoing the call for public help that launched the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list in 1950.

The Most Wanted list was the brainchild of then-FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, who used it to popularize his crime-fighting efforts. The FBI says that since the list’s creation, 152 fugitives have been captured with help from everyday citizens.

How successful private citizens have been in aiding the capture of those on the FBI’s most wanted terrorists is unknown. The list is, at the very least, a forum to advertise the high bounty placed on these suspects’ heads. The State Department said it has paid some 60 individuals a total of more than $100 million for information about upcoming attacks or the location of suspects through its Rewards for Justice program, a collaboration with the FBI.

Bin Laden alone carried a $27 million price tag, with $25 million coming from the State Department and another $2 million from the Air Transport Association. What, if anything, will come of that reward remains unclear. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton declined to comment on the $27 million sum Monday afternoon, but a State Department spokesman said he believed the money was intended for a private citizen.

The spokesman said he doubted whether someone affiliated with the U.S. government or a foreign government would be eligible to receive the bounty.

Without bin Laden, the Most Wanted Terrorists list now contains 29 suspected terrorists -- the majority of whom have ties to al Qaeda, the Lebanese group Hezbollah or other militant Islamic organizations. The list also includes suspected domestic terrorist Daniel Andreas San Diego, who is linked to extremist animal rights groups. A suspect must be federally indicted before being placed on the list, which explains the current absence of some high-profile terrorist suspects, such as Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen and radical Muslim cleric with suspected ties to the 9/11 hijackers.

Even without al-Awlaki, the list contains a number of Islamic terrorists who may begin vying for power in the post-bin Laden landscape, according to counterterrorism analysts. Al Qaeda’s second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahiri -- the founder of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, which merged with al Qaeda around 1998 -- is expected to play a major role in keeping the movement afloat in the wake of bin Laden’s death.

“It’s not only that he’s number two in command,” said Peter Krause, a fellow at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government. “But he came with his own Egyptian group, and that’s important going forward.”

Bruce Hoffman, director for the Center for Peace and Security Studies at Georgetown University, highlighted Libyan Anas al-Liby and Egyptian Saif al-Adel, both of whom have alleged ties to the East African embassy bombings; Saudi Adan El Shukrijumah, who is suspected of plotting a 2009 attack for the New York City subway system; and American Abdul Rahman Yasin, who has alleged ties to the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

Other experts noted that while the Most Wanted Terrorist list contained a number of the most prominent figures, the structure of al Qaeda has become so diffuse since the Sept. 11 attacks that any list -- top 10 or otherwise -- is unlikely to capture the power of the movement and all those behind it.

“It might say that an FBI list is anachronistic, and that it has been for a while,” said Stuart Gottlieb, a professor of counterterrorism at Yale University and Columbia University who served as a foreign policy adviser for the U.S. Senate from 1999 to 2003. “The idea of a centralized al Qaeda directing operations has been gone for eight or nine years.”

The FBI isn’t looking for a bin Laden replacement for the Most Wanted Terrorist list. But his slot on the 10 Most Wanted Fugitives list will be filled, although likely will not be for some time, according to FBI spokesman Paul Bresson.

Whether his replacement will be another Islamic terrorist, such as al-Zawahiri, remains to be seen, although rumors are circulating in the press that he is a likely candidate.

According to sources inside the FBI, however, it’s more likely that bin Laden’s so-called replacement will be wanted for a string of bank robberies than for creating a global terrorist network.

The one thing that’s nearly guaranteed is that whoever the newcomer is to the FBI’s most infamous list, he’ll find shoes that will be much too big to fill.



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One of the Pave Hawk helicopters stalled during the raid and crashed in the courtyard. It is not known for sure but it might have stalled from the other aircraft's downwash. It could not be flown after the accident and was rigged with explosives to destroy it.


 

From what I hear it was downed by ground fire.


 

A third factor is that it hit local powerlines, and a fourth being that the engines failed.



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One of the Pave Hawk helicopters stalled during the raid and crashed in the courtyard. It is not known for sure but it might have stalled from the other aircraft's downwash. It could not be flown after the accident and was rigged with explosives to destroy it.


 

The remains

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sory about my laguage but s.hit is going to hit the fan preaty soon, Alquida is gonna hit back and hit back hard to avenge Osama's death


 

True! Its why security worldwide is being beefed up.



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Teaching Osama Bin Laden's Death In The Classroom

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When Christine Yarzabek, a first-grade teacher in Hershey, Pa., heard that Osama bin Laden had been shot and killed, she was at a loss.

“9/11 happened before my students were even born,” she said. “It makes it hard to truly tell them in an appropriate way what is going on.”

Yarzabek teaches 22 six-year-olds from various backgrounds. Her class includes English language learners, including Spanish-speaker Alejandro, who told Yarzabek that bin Laden should have been imprisoned, rather than killed. It also included Adwaith, of India, who understood exactly what was going on.

How was she supposed to handle the situation?

As pundits, national security experts and news outlets try to analyze the ramifications of bin Laden's death, teachers across the country face the challenge of teaching a dramatic event in real time. Under pressure of Advanced Placement exams and state tests, they are curtailing their curricula to address the news of the day -- a story they simply couldn’t ignore.

This set of circumstances puts the teacher in a critical role, said Margaret Berci, an expert in K-12 Social Studies who works in the education department at the College of Staten Island. “One of the major challenges is to make sure we do not indoctrinate,” she said

Berci advised that when faced with controversial news events, teachers should present different sides and perspectives before allowing students to draw their own conclusions. “A teacher should guide them through the decision-making process, whether they are in kindergarten or grade 12,” she said.

But for Yarzabek’s cohort of early elementary-school teachers, the questions are more numerous: How much do six-year-olds, born into a post-9/11 world, know about the War on Terror? And how does one translate a violent news story into a lesson fit for first graders?

On Monday, Yarzabek addressed those who were aware of the news individually. “It would be good if they went to jail for all of their lives instead of having to be killed,” Alejandro told her in one of these sessions. Another student, Ethan, recounted the events by saying he heard that the “bad man” died because he was “the one who planned exploding the twin towers.” Adwaith described a terrorist as “a really bad person who hates our country.”

Yarzabek said she wanted to wait a day before discussing the news in class. She wanted to give parents time to present it to their children in their own way, and to give herself time to process it. “More of my kids will come in tomorrow with questions,” she said. “They’re not just babies -- they’re curious about everything.”

She remembered being ushered from her high school psychology class into a prayer service held by her Catholic school when the first plane crashed into the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.

“I think about the intense emotion I felt then,” she said. “I not only want to teach the event, but tap into their emotions.”

Moving forward, she might use an animated movie made by the educational website BrainPOP that explains the history of September 11th -- and was updated to reflect bin Laden’s death -- using a narrated cartoon. She might assign a writing exercise about loss, ask her students to draw pictures, or hold group discussions. She’s still figuring it out.

Teachers of upper grades can assume a higher level of awareness among their students. Julie Caccamaise, who teaches Model United Nations and social studies electives in Washington D.C.’s Woodrow Wilson Senior High School, said she felt the event presented “a really important opportunity to give my students a chance to be open about their feelings.” She also helped her class make sense of a seemingly infinite trove of sources of information.

Students in Caccamaise’s class, including senior Nathan Kohrman, 18, grew up near the site of the September 11th attack on the Pentagon and witnessed the aftermath firsthand. “It was a Berlin Wall moment, a pivotal moment that people don’t see happen in their lifetimes,” Kohrman said.

He sat as Caccamaise offered a forum for mulling over the ramifications of bin Laden’s death. Caccamaise contextualized the events that shaped the city her students grew up in. She then allowed her students to ask questions of their teacher and each other. Students pondered whether or not bin Laden should have been taken into custody, rather than killed, and discussed the value of life. Caccamaise said she was surprised by her students’ “depth of awareness.”

Meanwhile, in Portland, Ore., far from Ground Zero, Dan Anderson gave both his modern world history and his philosophy, ethics, and comparative religion classes at Grant High School a lecture on terrorism and the Middle East. He presented a PowerPoint slideshow that explained bin Laden’s biography, and al Qaeda’s history and legacy.

“My first impression is that…most of them have no clue anymore who al Qaeda is and who Osama bin Laden was,” he said. “He’s some kind of mythic figure to them.” The students, he said, seemed engaged, muttering “uh huh” as they finally received explanations of terms that pervaded the news during their upbringing. 

As soon as he heard the news, William Chamberlain, the current events teacher at Noel Elementary School in Noel, Mo., knew he would make bin Laden a featured topic in his class this week. “These kids grew up hearing his name and knowing his role, but it’s a difficult thing to address,” he said. “I think that initially they’ll be chanting USA, USA with everyone else, but I want to push them past it to think about the national and international implications.”

Some teachers are using multimedia to turn news stories into lessons. Cole Deibele, who teaches 9th grade civics and 11th grade U.S. history at Monticello High School in Monticello, Minn., showed his class a biographical video about bin Laden, held a short discussion about it, read an article about his death out loud, and showed a CNN clip explaining where bin Laden had been living. Afterwards, he prompted students with questions about why bin Laden's death matters and its effects.

One student asked: “Why, as a largely Christian nation, are we celebrating the death of someone?” It was a tough question to tackle, Deibele said.

“We talked about that it isn’t really a celebration but more an event that is bringing closure to many Americans who are mourning the events that occurred on 9/11,” he wrote in an email.

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There is news that bin Laden was not armed when he was killed and there was no firefight between the SEALS and militants.



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According to Alex Jones's site, the U.S. knew Bin Laden's whereabouts for quite a while...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/forget-pakistan-us-knew-bin-ladens-location-all-along.html



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but the United States say that the Pakistan army knew where he was for quite a while but failed to inform the United States army of his whearabouts



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There is news that bin Laden was not armed when he was killed and there was no firefight between the SEALS and militants.


 

Just rumors.



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What really doesn't hold water in the official versions is that they refuse to show pics of Bin Laden because they're supposed to be all bloody and messy. But IF the Seals that assaulted the house REALLY had infra-red cameras in their helmets that broadcast the scene in real-time to the White House, why don't they simply show us a clip from the moment they entered the room, recognized Bin Laden and threatened him?

This leads me to conclude that:
1°) either they gave him no chance, shot him while he was sleeping and don't want to admit it
2°) or the guy was begging for mercy and that might make him look too much like a victim (unlikely)
3°) they didn't actually broadcast the whole scene to the President as has been claimed

With all the discussions going on about how the White House pictures were re-enacted for the Press and not genuine on-the-spot images, I would strongly go for the third explanation, but the first seems pretty much an option too.

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he probably cut a deal with the US govournment, faked his death and is now living peacefully somewhear in the Bahamas



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he probably cut a deal with the US govournment, faked his death and is now living peacefully somewhear in the Bahamas


 That is evidently one of many possible options in the scenario... After a while you need to be able to add up two and two... and let's not forget that the Bin Laden and Bush families had very close ties, both as friends and as business partners...



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the pave hawk was i lie from my view and pictures i have seen with my eyes it was a new classified stealth helicopter. even ask my step-dad he reconized it in a manner which he knew about it for awhile and he unclassified it to me which i can't say any given NATO names for this chopper but the technology wasn't like the blackhawks at all. It had diamond shaped cooling turbines. RAM materials like they used for "HaveBlue" prototype of the F-117 Nighthawk. They had to rig it or the world would know our secret choppers if you want more info i will tell Travis all the other info for particular reasonings which it hard to post on this internet. for known info my step is a major in the J.S.P.O.C.

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VampKalashnokov wrote:

the pave hawk was i lie from my view and pictures i have seen with my eyes it was a new classified stealth helicopter. even ask my step-dad he reconized it in a manner which he knew about it for awhile and he unclassified it to me which i can't say any given NATO names for this chopper but the technology wasn't like the blackhawks at all. It had diamond shaped cooling turbines. RAM materials like they used for "HaveBlue" prototype of the F-117 Nighthawk. They had to rig it or the world would know our secret choppers if you want more info i will tell Travis all the other info for particular reasonings which it hard to post on this internet. for known info my step is a major in the J.S.P.O.C.


 

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