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Mystery helicopter sighting?
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Before I begin the story, I would like to make one thing very clear: although this post crosses into highly speculative territory based on mere hear-say, I do not welcome replies in the nature of UFO conspiracy nonsense. Please keep the discussion within the realm of reality. I know this goes without saying, but once in a while we get nutters in this section, seeing it as a chance to spew their BS. Humorous replies mentioning Firefox and whatnot are of course welcome. Thank you for understanding.

So our new neighbor is former DoD and Air Force, and with his permission I decided to share one of his stories here, which I found particularly fascinating for obvious reasons.

(Bear with me as he was deliberately vague on some details.) Back in 1981 he was setting up equipment on a large relay tower as a part of some weapon testing project. Sub story: he was once buzzed by an F-16 another time he was on one of these towers, much to his infuriation as he could've been blown off had it not been for his safety harness. 

So anyway, as he was on this tower setting up equipment, he watched as a mysterious helicopter "thing" was rolled out of one of the hangars at the nearby base. It was carried on a platform with tracks. He described the machine as resembling the Cobra (he showed a picture of the much later AH-1Z for comparison). We actually discussed it in more depth a few hours ago, and we've come to the conclusion that it was in closer resemblance to the Sikorsky S-67. He swears it looks exactly like what he saw, minus some key details (odd as it was destroyed in 1974). The entire tail section contained what he described as some kind of "jet-assist," which I assumed to be a kind of NOTAR at first but the more he told the story it sounded more like a type of vectored thrust. Again we discussed it in more detail: Behind the co.ckpit were large semi-circle intakes and the tail section had jet nozzles at the end on each side. The tail rotor was of a two-blade type which could fold together when the jet system was engaged.

He would watch this thing take off more than once at this testing range and it was incredibly fast (he compared it to the F-16 that buzzed him the other time). He would overhear conversations between the pilots and engineers, discussing the problems with the blades at certain speeds and whatnot. When he asked about the machine he was answered with the vague assertion of it being a "Soviet prototype" and that's all he was allowed to know. So discussing it again, he recalled that what he thought was Russian cyrillic writing might've just been a normal serial in an odd font (he was paying more attention to the weird jet setup anyway). He also thinks the "Soviet prototype" assertion might've been a joke/sarcasm.

I've been tirelessly searching my archives and various online databases for anything matching the description, but I can't find anything for the life of me. I added a sketch below, which I drew while we discussed it and this is the closest I could come up with to match what he saw.

So does anyone here have any idea as to what this machine was?



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Date: Aug 13, 2016
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Could it be the Sikorsky X-wing test aircraft? RSRA S-72?

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There are several discrepancies, of course, but you surely thought about the Bell AH-1S conversion called

"Bell Hokum", too ?

- The timeframe wouldn't match and "incredibly fast" surely would be an exaggeration, but maybe this was

just caused by a differnt flight profile compared to other helis.

- The similarity to the Cobra would be logical and even the answer by the engineers, that it was a "Soviet

prototype" would be understandable.

- The protuding exhausts could have been identified as "jet nozzles", the two blade tail rotor would be ok

and the platform with tracks, too, for a skidded type.

Don't get me wrong, I would greet an unknown type enthusiastically, too, but "good scientific crafts" call for

trying to correlate new effects with proven knowledge. And here memories already seem to be getting vague.

(Colour profile from Matej Furda, via www,hitechweb.genezis.eu)

 

 



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The little known S-72BS variant x3



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Stingray wrote:

So our new neighbor is former DoD and Air Force


 Of course he was. So many conspiracy theorists use their title of ex-air force, ex-insert-important-gov-position-here to try and defend their dubious claims, they are a dime a dozen. I admit to have also been taken by some fantastic stories in my youth until I started doing serious research that later proved them wrong. Sometimes you will reach a dead end but without evidence to verify the claim you should maintain some healthy skepticism. Especially a claim like this. Did he also claim to have worked at Area 51?

Stingray wrote:

(Bear with me as he was deliberately vague on some details.)


 HAHAHA

Again quite typical. Let me tell you about this super secret thing I saw but I cant tell you certain details because I don't want you to have any leads to try researching it and find out everything I've been saying is total bullshet. They also say things like how they shouldn't tell you about a project they "observed" or "worked on" out of fear of jeopardizing national security or they will get vanned off by the men in black, whatever, but quickly fold and tell you anyway because you pinky-promised not to tell anyone else.



-- Edited by Gunship on Saturday 26th of November 2016 05:32:57 PM

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lel

My favourites are the ones who insist they can prove they worked for such places but conveniently lost their papers n stuffs. x3



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I was wrong about the jet-assist being like turbojets, apparently they were more like the Harrier nozzles (making me think back to the NOTAR possibility). I spoke to another DoD person on Facebook and he claims it was a one-off LHX testbed, but likely never flew.

Again this is more speculation without concrete evidence, but I felt the story needed an update.

My neighbor has since cut off all communication with me after some political postings on my personal facebook page that he didn't agree with, so it looks like this is the end of the line for getting any more details.



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Gunship wrote:
So many conspiracy theorists use their title of ex-air force, ex-insert-important-gov-position-here to try and defend their dubious claims, they are a dime a dozen. I admit to have also been taken by some fantastic stories in my youth until I started doing serious research that later proved them wrong. Sometimes you will reach a dead end but without evidence to verify the claim you should maintain some healthy skepticism. Especially a claim like this. Did he also claim to have worked at Area 51?

 

Sublight over at SPF told me the same thing. I always maintain "healthy skepticism" when faced with a far out story like this, and trust me I've had plenty of experience with ex-DoD/Air Force BSing me before. Some just tell tales more convincingly than others. He never said exactly where it was, but apparently it was somewhere in the Nevada desert. Like I said to Sublight in response to another mention of Area 51, had he mentioned a name like that I probably would've left the conversation or at least have been a lot more skeptical than I was already.

 

Gunship wrote:
Let me tell you about this super secret thing I saw but I cant tell you certain details because I don't want you to have any leads to try researching it and find out everything I've been saying is total bullshet. They also say things like how they shouldn't tell you about a project they "observed" or "worked on" out of fear of jeopardizing national security or they will get vanned off by the men in black, whatever, but quickly fold and tell you anyway because you pinky-promised not to tell anyone else.

 

Yeah, I was suspicious about him feeling comfortable enough to talk about these things with me, even giving me permission to post his story here. I'm tempted to lock this thread since this whole thing is showing signs of hoaxer potential.



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Stingray wrote:

My neighbor has since cut off all communication with me after some political postings on my personal facebook page that he didn't agree with, so it looks like this is the end of the line for getting any more details.


 probably used it as an excuse because he was fed up with your scepticism. maybe he saw your posts here. x3

good riddance.



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