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Vertical Lift Technologies Windstar Helicopter (1986)



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Good find! :D

"Windstar" or "WindStar" was a prototype development of a four-place version of the Rotorway "Elete" under a different company. It was cancelled due to it being far too costly. 



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Leela25 wrote:

Good find! :D

"Windstar" or "WindStar" was a prototype development of a four-place version of the Rotorway "Elete" under a different company. It was cancelled due to it being far too costly. 


 

That doesn't add up. If that is the same Windstar from Rotorway, then the ad can't be from the 1970's. The Windstar project began in the late 1980's. And it was to be powered by the 350 Hp Schramm 6-cylinder water-cooled engine.



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Agreed. In fact, I found a picture of the Rotoway prototype here...

http://www.rotorwayownersgroup.com/rotorway/rotorway_photos/
various_owners/windstar.jpg

Unfortunately very small.



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Better.

http://www.remaxforex.com/article/html/article_132.html



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http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/rare-rotorway-windstar-helicopter-brochure-from

Further confirmation of the date, this is a brochure from 1986.



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I have a theory. Maybe the project began back in the 70's, and what we see in the ad is a full-scale mockup. Perhaps it wasn't until the 80's that a prototype was constructed? There's some slight differences between the helicopter in the ad and what is shown in Alan's post.

The ones I've posted are of the possible mockup as well.



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That's impossible. The Windstar is a four-seat version of the "Exec," which first flew in 1980. The project began not long after.

VinceJ's source simply made a mistake.



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retroistic wrote:

The Windstar is a four-seat version of the "Exec," 


 

Really? I thought it was the "Elite"! confuse



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Windstar predates the "Elete." That one first flew in 1988.

Though, it did have a much similar engine to that that was proposed for the Windstar.



-- Edited by retroistic on Friday 13th of April 2012 03:32:32 AM

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Retroistic, first you say Windstar began in the late 80s, then you go on to say it began not long after the "Exec" first flight in 1980 (as in early 80s). Contradiction much?



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That's me in that photo ,Lenny Cuzmal,James Gruver & A RotorWay guy, Around 1995? or so we picked it up to convert it to an Allison 250 c20 and remove the engine as the tooling was gone,(German designer possable porsch modded power plant) VLT? Lenny ran out of $$$$ project sits last I knew at French Valley Air Port Ca

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Interesting. Thanks for sharing more about this project, Hillberg!



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Just happened to come across this site-very interesting. I was hired in 1981 to work for B.J. Schram in the R&D dept. of VLT. Windstar was just on the ground floor when I started. B.J. of course owned Rotorway aircraft but had a idea to build a 4 place commercial piston powered helicopter, thus, came the company VLT. Long story short- all parts and components were built in house-engine,body,gear boxes-blades-etc.
He owned his own metal foundry so we could cast all our own parts-alum,stainless,copper,etc. Engine 6 cyl. fuel injected,tubo charged, water cooled. Proto type was built and flying-this is the one you see in pictures, In about 1988 the prototype had a incident at Chandler field in Chandler, Az. that was also a bad time for economy and money was tight, thus ended Windstar project. I then was moved back to Rotorway to build a replacement for the Exper. built Exec. this is what is know as the "Elete" One proto type built and flying "factory ship" and two kits were made and shipped before the plant had to close and was later bought by English man John Neitherwood.
These are quick thoughts I had - sorry for length- lots of history there Chopr1

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I called and tried to acquire the wind star from the ones who now have it, or the one, I think it's up in Hisperia somewhere now, when Don and I worked on it for the five firemen they were too busy looting the pot they made , we had it almost done when they pulled the plug, we removed 680 pounds of worthless crap from the airframe , engine ( nice workmanship for a BMW styled engine) PAL system, hydraulic pumps ,coolers, radiator, the crappy fuel system,flight controls and soon the doors that weighed about twenty pounds each, we installed a flat floor with a bladder underneath, crash worhty pilots seat,(it could now seat six if need be,or a streacher with aft entry doors)a mock up push pull tube flight control was installed , from what I heard one main rotor blade was diesected( mistake of a fool who did it) and they have no clue of what to do or sell it ,I figure the crashed one we used as a mock up and the flying intended one are now lawn art, they just jack everyone around who shows the least bit interest in it. I think they they bought if for 90 thousand or put that amount into it ,with all the engineering data lost ( some of it had errors )and the tooling in it's past condition as observed was junk,a lot of work will be needed to certify the new design Don and I did,,( the PP cables prevented the civil certification of the aircraft..) I would like to see it fly yet the owners think otherwise,,sad ,it is a sexy ship..the revised powerplant would be an off the shelf injected 435 Lycoming lest anyone has a spare C20 to loan...there's a video of it in the air and it showed the strain of it's rotundness....I think it would have flown just fine....

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What took you so long? The Wind Star had a flap pitch coupling effect that required stiffining & repositioning the P/C link attach on the blades but it was all workable. & If thay used a Certified engine & conventional controls It would be a go for Cretification. ( I have some data & coppies of thr FAA directorate Dallas Fort Worth on the issues.)

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I called and tried to acquire the wind star from the ones who now have it, or the one, I think it's up in Hisperia somewhere now, when Don and I worked on it for the five firemen they were too busy looting the pot they made , we had it almost done when they pulled the plug, we removed 680 pounds of worthless crap from the airframe , engine ( nice workmanship for a BMW styled engine) PAL system, hydraulic pumps ,coolers, radiator, the crappy fuel system,flight controls and soon the doors that weighed about twenty pounds each, we installed a flat floor with a bladder underneath, crash worhty pilots seat,(it could now seat six if need be,or a streacher with aft entry doors)a mock up push pull tube flight control was installed , from what I heard one main rotor blade was diesected( mistake of a fool who did it) and they have no clue of what to do or sell it ,I figure the crashed one we used as a mock up and the flying intended one are now lawn art, they just jack everyone around who shows the least bit interest in it. I think they they bought if for 90 thousand or put that amount into it ,with all the engineering data lost ( some of it had errors )and the tooling in it's past condition as observed was junk,a lot of work will be needed to certify the new design Don and I did,,( the PP cables prevented the civil certification of the aircraft..) I would like to see it fly yet the owners think otherwise,,sad ,it is a sexy ship..the revised powerplant would be an off the shelf injected 435 Lycoming lest anyone has a spare C20 to loan...there's a video of it in the air and it showed the strain of it's rotundness....I think it would have flown just fine....


 Hello, do you have the contact info of current owner of this prototype, I'd love to see it in person if possible. Thanks:)



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hillberg wrote:

That's me in that photo ,Lenny Cuzmal,James Gruver & A RotorWay guy, Around 1995? or so we picked it up to convert it to an Allison 250 c20 and remove the engine as the tooling was gone,(German designer possable porsch modded power plant) VLT? Lenny ran out of $$$$ project sits last I knew at French Valley Air Port Ca


 It is indeed a very sexy prototype, is there any way I can see this prototype in person? I'm really interested. Thank you!



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Daves # 714-580-7486 he is closer to the Windstars final resting place...I think it's better to start with a fresh piece of paper.



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