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Date: Nov 15, 2011
Stop SOPA, save the internet
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Normally I don't allow posting of political-related subjects, but this is very serious and could effect even my own sites.

http://boingboing.net/2011/11/11/stop-sopa-save-the-internet.html

Google knows it. Viacom knows it. The Chamber of Commerce knows it. Internet democracy groups know it. BoingBoing knows it. But, the Internet hasn't been told yet -- we're going to get blown away by the end of the year. The worst bill in Internet history is about to become law. Law is very real here in the United States and legal language is often different than stated intentions -- this law would give government and corporations the power to block sites like BoingBoing over infringing links on at least one webpage posted by their users. Believe the EFF, Public Knowledge, Google when they say this bill is about much more than copyright, it's about the Internet and free speech everywhere.

The MPAA, RIAA, Hollywood knows that they have been flying in CEOs of as many companies as possible, recruiting people to get petition signups at malls in California, and here's the big point-- they know they have gotten their message through to Congress -- the worst bill in Internet history, the one where government and their corporations get unbelievable power to take down sites, threaten payment processors into stopping payment to sites on a blacklist, and throw people in jail for posting ordinary content is about to pass before the end of this year. The only thing that is going to stop Hollywood from owning the Internet and everything we do, is if there is a big surprise Internet backlash starting right now.

PROTECT IP (S. 968)/SOPA (HR. 3261) creates the first system for Internet censorship - this bill has sweeping provisions that give the government and corporations leeway and legal cover for taking down sites "by accident," mistakenly, or for NOT doing "enough" to protect the interests of Hollywood. These bills that are moving very quickly through Congress and can pass before Christmas aim to give the US government and corporations the ability to block sites over infringing links posted by their users and give ISPs the release to take any means to block peoples' sites, including slowing down your connection. That's right, some say this bill is a workaround to net neutrality and is bigger than net neutrality.

This is the worst piece of Internet legislation in history - the lawmakers who have been sponsoring (Leahy, Lamar Smith, Conyers) this bill need to be shamed by the Internet community for wasting taxpayer dollars on a bill that would break the very fabric of the Internet, create an Internet blacklist, kill jobs and great startup companies, huge blogs, and social networks.

Everyone, the entire Internet community needs to stand together if we don't want to see this bill actually become law. Internet and democracy groups are planning an Internet-wide day of protest called American Censorship Day on Wednesday, November 16th for the day Congress holds a hearing on these bills to create the first American Internet censorship system. Every single person with a website can join and needs to.

Boing Boing, Grooveshark, Free Software Foundation, The Electronic Frontier Foundation, Public Knowledge, Demand Progress, Open Congress/PPF, TechDirt, Fight for the Future and dozens of other sites have created this day to ask you to join them to stop S. 978 and HR 3261, as hard as you can. Write them, protest, call them, protest, support your favorite sites, protest, sign a letter, block out your site, protest.

Many public intellectuals who are often the ones to help win the public interest over and over are about to come out to lead the charge to stop PROTECT IP/ SOPA - they have to when they learn that the House and Senate will be working to pass this bill before the Christmas. From those doing work on the hill, it's very clear we have been stacked comparatively lightly. The House bill has 40 co-sponsors and major industry support. The only thing that will change the dynamic now is if Congress gets a knock on their door by CEO"s of small and large tech companies, blogs, and news sites and if Internet users start piling on, one by one, and protest.

Tech companies, blogs, news sites are already in a death-do-die battle cry -- listen to them -- it's a few days before the hearing on this bill. But, we need more tech companies, blogs, new sites before the hearing on this bill. Help get them.

I've been trying to think about whether or not the world is going to end if this bill passes like it's supposed to -- and the answer is, "kind of yes". When small sites, and it's the small sites that get turned off in the night and no one for the most part notices, say my friend's political blog or news site gets blocked by the US government and she has no way to get it back up even though everything she did was legal according to current law, and no one can help her except she can choose to file suit to defend herself, I feel like I die inside a little. Living in a country where you are being shut out and left powerless to really defend yourself is like living in another country, the ones you hear about. Life starts to feel shot when that happens, especially to our friends or our favorites sites.

Every site who has user-generated content, posts links or videos to anything copyrighted in it could face new legal threats.

If a copyrights holder disliked links you have on your site, they could simply file a complaint with a payment processor (Visa, PayPal), who would then have 5 days to respond to their request or risk legal ramifications. If bills like this are allowed to pass, we'll be spending another $47 million dollars every year to help corporations fill out and enforce Internet blacklists.

Sites that would be legal under the DMCA and its safe harbor provisions would now risk losing everything for allowing user generated content. It also has added in the streaming felony bill that would make it so ordinary Internet users are at risk of going to jail for 5 years for post any copyrighted work that would cost $2,500 to license. And because copyright is so broad, that means videos with copyrighted music in the background, kids in a school play, people singing karaoke could all be a risk.

Because the law affects almost every Internet user and the sites they use every day and have come to love, and because granting sweeping blacklisting powers is just sickening to almost everyone, we need your help -- if you can encourage your favorite site to join the protest, and help drive the maximum number of people to contact Congress on November 16th (until the bill dies), please help.

These bills represent a major blow to openness and freedom on the Internet, free speech rights, and the fabric of the Internet itself. If SOPA is allowed to pass, the Internet and free speech will never be the same again.



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To fight this I0'm not against ultimate violence ( burning cars, shooting cops,etc.... )
Being polite and civilized in nowaday's world is useless, you won't be heard.
Think about it : you want someone to be freed from prison as example, and you ask this politely, and you will certainly told to bug of, or to make a lawsuit.
But if ypou make the same request after taking hostage 500 people an planting C4 around their chests an in the depths of the building, hreatening to blow everything upo and causing a real mass murder, strangely they start moving their fat butt.
Want a real example ? Just look what happened in Norway not so long ago.
It is time for us to stop having the laws shoved up our asses and fight back against thse money whores.
What do you hcoose ? Having your own freedom of speech remove or fighting to keep it ?
I think that we all know what is the right answer to this.

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Whoever dares to protest the so-called "new world order" and all that goes with it is or will be in trouble. Look at all the protesters in Wall Street today. Look at how the 9/11 doubters are turned into ridicule or censored by the media. Look at the police beatings at G20-like meetings on peaceful protesters. We are only seeing the first steps in something much bigger that is planning to crush every world citizen and turn them into non-thinking, obedient consumers who will approve global politics, global economics, global markets. This law project is sickening, but it shouldn't come as a surprise.

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And this is also why I'm not agains extreme measures.
It is indeed sad to hav top reach such extremes, but it looks like we don't have much choice.

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Italian Dragon wrote:

To fight this I0'm not against ultimate violence ( burning cars, shooting cops,etc.... )
Being polite and civilized in nowaday's world is useless, you won't be heard.


I understand your point of view regarding how we must fight for our rights in such matters, but you really frighten me with those first lines.

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Something worse popped up... have you guys ever heard of CISPA? Well, I sure haven't until just now. With this new bill, users' personal security is compromised because government spies can now look and share with others your personal information in order to find people doing illegal activities, including illegal downloads and copyright infringement.

Oh! by the way... it passed on thursday. Yep, too late to fight it now. Now it's up to the senate whether it will become actual law.

Why do they keep cramming these abominations down our throats? Don't they have bigger problems to worry about than minor copyvios? no



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Actually CISPA is more centered around the security of networks between the government and major companies angainst cyber attacks.

However, they are being vague as to how far they will take their investigations. 



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How is CISPA worse than SOPA? I don't understand. This new bill seems more like a safeguard against threats rather than a spy job on individuals illegally downloading or transferring material.

With that said, I don't really have any problem with it. I also don't see why anyone else should, unless they have something to hide.



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Well if having private companies spying your emails,phone calls,bank transactions, downloaded data and so on, 24/7 "just in case".
And this data can be sold to the Gov. for money.
So in case you didn't understood it, CISPA is a glorious "**** you" to your privacy online and it's also ****ting in an even more glorious way on the US Constitution.
And if you are thinking "I also don't see why anyone else should, unless they have something to hide." it means that you're trying to reassure yourself and that it won't pass or some **** like that. But let me get this straight : whoever supports this bill or tolerates it, is an enemy of Freedom itself and therefore an Enemy of the US State as a whole, as the right to freedom of speech is written within it and if it keeps on this way this bill WILL pass and will be a huge freaking open door to SOPA/PIPA/ACTA.

Also just so you know, if you just say "I liked eMule " on line somewhere, this could get you 5 years of jail and a fine of 2500 US$ for piracy. And I'm not even mentioning that you could be perpetually detained by the gov just "for the heck of it". They don't need proof anyways since everyone pussed out and let the most liberticide bills of this decade pass. Technically you're a criminal for executing your freedom of speech, congrats.

In a more materialistic way you can wave goodbye to this site if CISPA passes as a good part of the pics we upload here are "Copyrighted" so to speak ( but for hte US gov it doesn't ****ing matters) and this would get everyone of us jailed for doing what everyone does : exercising our right to share information and our opinions.

So keep on saying that "it's not that bad" or "I don't really have a problem with it" and you're gonna end up as guilty as Kony or Bin Laden for executing your freedom of speech.


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Good lord man, I didn't have all the facts straight until now. I saught the answer to a question, and now I have it. Thank you for your enlightenment. But you could've done without the over-patriotic tone regarding my comment.



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Noprob' ;)
And sorry if I sounded a bit harsh but I just can't stand it when people say that freedom-killing bills are okay. Makes me snap the crap out quite a bit.

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Accepted, but do keep in mind not everyone knows everything they need to know. When they politely ask a question and provide a personal opinion, please respect it and inform them in an equally-toned matter. 

Thanks for understanding.



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What the flipping hell?! ANOTHER one?!

Why in the wide, wide world would they even pass such a monstrocity? is the US government that corrupt out of their minds?-Scratch that... no

Still, this is insane.

Farewell to a free internet and our own rights. We had a good run.



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I know Superstallion. I'm just extremely picky in matters of freedom.

And yea Fluttercopter, they're trying to push one more in. As I heard one of the biggest allies we had against it backed off. Makes only my hatred towards those who make these bills greater.

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What will it take to stop it? For that matter, what exactly does it take to stop a bill that passes the senate?



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Either a movement of population so extreme that it will scare the crap out. Just as an info several years ago the Gov tried to pass a very controversial law. They indeed ended up passing it. However the masses went in the street in a state of pure rage. Thousands fo cars got burnt, whole buildings got trashed, the police got beaten the crap out. The government fearing that massive outcry of violence and its rage removed the bill immediately.
The other way to stop it is to convince Obama to veto it at 100000000%. And to convince him to veto it and any other law of this kind.
Still if he wasn't vetoing it it wouldn't surprise me. After all one of the competitors for the Presidentials ( Mitt Romney ) tortured a handicapped kid using electricity because he wasn't taking his jacket off or raising his hand. Now the poor guy is twice as much handicapped as he was.
So if a sadistic torturer can be in a race to be elected president, I guess that everything else can happen.

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I'll just drop this here... :P



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Leela trust me , I thought the exact same thing several times already and I don't even watch Futurama.

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Italian Dragon wrote:

After all one of the competitors for the Presidentials ( Mitt Romney ) tortured a handicapped kid using electricity because he wasn't taking his jacket off or raising his hand. Now the poor guy is twice as much handicapped as he was.


 

Where in the world did you get this from?



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Seen that somewhere on dA.
Wouldn't surprise me if it was true.

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Don't use DeviantArt as a source for that kind of information. I just googled this and came up with positive results on the torture, even video evedence, but I found absolutely NOTHING regarding a connection with Mitt Romney.

Whoever posted that on DA is simply trying to spread an ugly rumor.



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I'll try to contact that person and see if he/she can give me links.
After all sometimes very important things get skipped on purpose.
I bet that you didn't know that Canada, USA and Mexico are forming an alliance a bit like the EU right ?

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Italian Dragon wrote:

I bet that you didn't know that Canada, USA and Mexico are forming an alliance a bit like the EU right ?


 

Sure:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union

 

But it is purely theoretical. There are far too many problems that will keep that from actually ever happening.



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As far as I have been able to see becuase something is kept in secret doesn't means it's theoretical.

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Stingray wrote:
Italian Dragon wrote:

I bet that you didn't know that Canada, USA and Mexico are forming an alliance a bit like the EU right ?


 

Sure:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union

 

But it is purely theoretical. There are far too many problems that will keep that from actually ever happening.


 

Well looks real enough to me. 

Have you heard of the Amero? It's apparently currency for the NAU. It's already being made in preparation.



-- Edited by VinceJ on Wednesday 23rd of May 2012 10:21:25 PM

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Vince, don't tell me you actually believe that age old conspiracy...



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This is for you then...



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I don't see anything there.



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Pepper wrote:

Vince, don't tell me you actually believe that age old conspiracy...


 

I second that. I mean, dude, Vince you're digging up an already proven false report. I should remind you that most of it originated from a certain Holocaust denier who use to host a controversial radio program from his own home.



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I didn't know, sorry. 

But the NAU is acctually under consideration, jus google it and lots of official news links will appear.



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