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The online edition of British newspaper The Daily Mail publishes close-up photos of the helicopter that was shot and crashed onto Bin Laden's compound. The official version is that the downed helo was a 160th SOAR MH-60K.

However, if you too wonder why the other choppers were asked to shoot at it and destroy it, the answer may be in those very photos: apparently the remaining parts that were collected and carried away do not match any officially listed helicopter type in the U.S. inventory.

 

Have a look at the original article and pictures to make an opinion.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382859/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-Photo-Obama-watching-Al-Qaeda-leader-die-live-TV.html

 

Also, militaryphotos.net has a thread of discussion on the subject:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?197623-Mystery-of-downed-Chopper

 

What really bugs me the most is the assertion that no U.S. soldier was killed in the raid. I can't see the crew of ejecting from that helo under enemy fire or escape the crash... so could it be an unmanned helicopter type?



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This is very strange. Look at the tail rotor, what current helicopter has that clean and small of a tail rotor hub?



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This explains why they rigged it with explosives after the raid. They didn't want this machine exposed to public eye.



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It looks like a normal Pave Hawk to me, but some modifications were made to the tail section to reduce sound (I'm guessing). Judging by the rest of it's odd shape I would also think it is a stealth design.



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WTF? I know what I'll be doing the remainder of the day. Searching Stingy's archive for this mystery helo.



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Hope this helps...



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Sikorsky's cancelled S-67 looks damn close.



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confuse How do you figure?



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I will tell you what is a close match, the Bell / McDonnell-Douglas LHX series of proposals. Most have a very similar tail shape with tailplane that almost perfectly matches. The only thing that throws recognition off is that those were of the NOTAR configuration, whereas this uses a small 5-blade conventional tail rotor.



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I will tell you what is a close match, the Bell / McDonnell-Douglas LHX series of proposals. Most have a very similar tail shape with tailplane that almost perfectly matches. The only thing that throws recognition off is that those were of the NOTAR configuration, whereas this uses a small 5-blade conventional tail rotor.


 

Here's the problem with that connection; The LHX (and ABC) branched out to the stealth program we commonly know as the RAH-66, which we know was cancelled back in 2004. Another problem is that this wreckage is supposedly of a transport aircraft, or a gunship with troop-carrying capacity, not an attack helicopter. 

Some aircraft that come to mind are the Spirit helicopters used for testing the RAH-66 design and systems, but the likelihood of those mere experimentals being used in action is beyond far-fetched.



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That and the SHADOWs had no similarity whatsoever. They had fenestrons, remember?



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its a hoax people, just a hoax!



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Pepper wrote:

That and the SHADOWs had no similarity whatsoever. They had fenestrons, remember?


 

If memory serves me correctly, there were two prototypes. One was the standard S-76 with a 1-seat co.ckpit added to the nose to test the fly-by-wire control and various other systems for the Comanche, and another was fitted with the fenestron tail rotor, the same one that was previously tested on the S-67.

Yes, they are not even remotely similar to this mystery wreckage.



-- Edited by Commander31 on Tuesday 3rd of May 2011 06:18:57 PM

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Yet another photograph:

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12597.0;attach=131571;image



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Stargazer2006 wrote:

Yet another photograph:

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12597.0;attach=131571;image


 

It won't let me see it!



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How about the Agusta A-109?

Agusta A-109



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No the tail rotor should be at the top of the fin and it is on the wrong side. And the A.109 has only 2 blades in the tail, the other has five.



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AB.139 then? There was a military proposal...

Agusta%20A-139.jpg?height=188&width=400



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Again, 2-blade tail rotor. The boom on the 139 doesn't come to a point either.



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Sidewinder wrote:

Hope this helps...


 

And from militaryphotos.net:



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555 wrote:
Sidewinder wrote:

Hope this helps...


 

And from militaryphotos.net:


 

You see? Looks very much like a modified MH-60. The tailplane and hub match perfectly.



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_EarthAlien_ wrote:

its a hoax people, just a hoax!


 

I'm begining to edge that way. After seeing the pictures Triple-Nickel posted, I think it's safe to say this is not even a real aircraft. The rotors are way too small for a conventional configuration.



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Unless it's a smaller size unmanned helicopter...

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Stargazer2006 wrote:

Unless it's a smaller size unmanned helicopter...


 

I looked at some Fire Scout and Hummingbird photos and compared them, they are not even close. Whatever this was it was big.



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This is quite a mystery! This is my first time hearing of the aircraft not being a normal Black Hawk. Perhaps it is a specially modified version for stealth and/or night-fighting? The charred material within the wreckage suggests a composite material in the construction. The rotor does have much smaller blades than a normal H-60 but with a fifth one added could this make up for the size? 



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some thing is definatly going on, also notice in one of the pics that stargazer posted part of the tail boom is over the fence, a normal rigging charge does not have the power to do that, especialy since the helicopters supposedly laded 5 to 10 meters away from the wall



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Link to the militaryphotos.net topic has changed:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?197635-The-mysterious-helicopter-involved-in-the-Osama-Bin-Laden-raid



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scorpio213 wrote:

some thing is definatly going on, also notice in one of the pics that stargazer posted part of the tail boom is over the fence, a normal rigging charge does not have the power to do that, especialy since the helicopters supposedly laded 5 to 10 meters away from the wall


 

You of course being an expert on demolitions?



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