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First Blood (1982)

Stallone's disgruntled Vietnam war veteran, Rambo, is cornered by a sheriff's
Bell 206 JetRanger helicopter on the side of a cliff during one of this film's many chase sequences. There's also a Boeing (MD) 500 arriving at the manhunt camp, and a yellow JetRanger used in one scene.
Sequels to this film include... Rambo: First Blood II and
Rambo III.

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Rambo: First Blood II (1985)

In this sequel, Sylvester Stallone's grunting hero John Rambo revisits Vietnam to search for POWs and, when he finds some, decides to bring them home against all the odds - but the Huey helicopter he steals for this rescue operation is damaged and it crashes... An
Aerospatiale SA330 Puma (from PHI) was converted to simulate a Mil Mi-24 Hind gunship.

(Same source as above)



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Rambo III (1988)

First class rotary action marks this film, about a Soviet war against Afghan rebels, out from run-of-the-mill military adventure thrillers as a Russian Mil Mi-24 Hind gunship (so big it's also a troop carrier) attacks the rebels' desert camp to spectacular effect. Also, in one unintentionally dumb stunt, Rambo (Sly Stallone) destroys a giant helicopter with his hi-tech bow and arrow.

"Rambo III has two types of helicopters. The Hinds are clearly tweaked Eurocopter SA330 Pumas. We also see several smaller types. I believe these are Aerospatiale Alouette IIIs fitted with some kind of nose cone and fake wings... They only made one of each, though on-screen each is destroyed by Rambo (Stallone) several times, leading us to believe that there is an entire squadron at play. On the DVD commentary track, they say that the pilots loved the fake wings bolted onto the Pumas because it gave them vastly better performance and stability in low-level trick flying. The pilots sometimes had to be reined in when they got carried away with all the nifty stunts they could do with their new wings."

(Same source)

EDIT: Sorry to say the source is wrong about the Alouette 3.
It was actually a Gazelle.



-- Edited by Stingray on Tuesday 1st of June 2010 11:00:27 PM



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One thing Im confused about: This Puma Hind-look-alike is said to have been used earlier in Red Dawn right?



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Leela25 wrote:
One thing Im confused about: This Puma Hind-look-alike is said to have been used earlier in Red Dawn right?

 

Yep.



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How is that possible when it had that re-designed co.ckpit to look more like the "Hind-A" in Red Dawn, but in Rambo 2 its different?



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Leela25 wrote:
How is that possible when it had that re-designed co.ckpit to look more like the "Hind-A" in Red Dawn, but in Rambo 2 its different?

 

It was not "re-designed", it just had a fiberglass cover over the real co.ckpit. It was dangerous during filming of Red Dawn, because the pilots found it difficult to navigate the aircraft through the tinted glazing and it would blow off if they swung the aircraft around suddenly. They removed it because of this when the aircraft was filmed in the second Rambo film.



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Ah okay thanks. smile



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Stingray wrote:

Rambo III (1988)



More screenshots and the movie poster



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Also more for Rambo: First Blood Part 2

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http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=218470

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Took some screenshots of the "Gazelle" used in Rambo III. Can anyone tell me what other aircraft it was trying to represent?

The closest Soviet match I can come up with is the Mi-1 helicopter, which features a similar pointed nose and searchlight, but the armament configuration is not right and they never included roof-mounted devices (laser rangefinder?) as seen in the film. Also, from what I've read, Mi-1s (and Mi-2s) weren't used during the invasion of Afghanistan.

So... what in the world is it?



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kinda reminds me of a Z-11, and also from everything i have read about the Russian invasion of Afghanistan they only use Mi-24's and Mi-8's



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scorpio213 wrote:

kinda reminds me of a Z-11


 

I actually considered that once when I was 13, even the Eurocopter AS.350, the origin of the Z-11 design, but further research proved that the timeline was wrong and the Soviets used entirely their own aircraft.



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then ime baffled. I think it might be an SA-341



-- Edited by scorpio213 on Thursday 22nd of March 2012 12:18:32 AM

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scorpio213 wrote:

 and also from everything i have read about the Russian invasion of Afghanistan they only use Mi-24's and Mi-8's


 

They used Mi-6s and Mi-10s as well, and there could be more we're forgetting. There are also some that crashed that are yet to be identified.



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I think you could be right about the Mi-1. It matches the profile despite being an anachronism, but writers make those kind of technical mistakes all the time. Who knows, it could've been another Mi-24, since they couldn't find another Puma to modify. biggrin



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Who knows, it could've been another Mi-24, since they couldn't find another Puma to modify. biggrin


 

Sweet Celestia, I certainly hope that's not the case here!! biggrin



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scorpio213 wrote:

I think it might be an SA-341


 

Of course it's an SA.341!! But the question here is what Soviet aircraft it was trying to represent. The SA.330 was playing an Mi-24A, while this Gazelle was playing something else. Hopefully not another Mi-24, as that would be just plain silly.



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Interesting article I found:

http://elpasotimes.typepad.com/morgue/2011/11/1997-cheater-bella-cant-escape-stigma-of-88-jailbreak.html

Apparently Hollywood thinks that television viewers might have the same interest in Bella's skyjacking experience.

Bella signed a contract May 2 with Los Angeles-based Bonneville Worldwide Entertainment to develop a made-for-television movie based on the incident.

Nothing much has happened since. The pilot seems neither upset nor anxious. He's been involved with Hollywood, including such films as Chuck Norris' "Lone Wolf McQuade" and Nick Nolte's "Extreme Prejudice."

In fact, the Gazelle that he piloted in the botched prison escape was the same one he flew as a Soviet helicopter in Sylvester Stallone's "Rambo III."

 



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And here is a photo of the Gazelle from the article:



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And upon further research, look what I found in "Texas Monthly", March 1990:

http://books.google.com/books?id=cC4EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA102&lpg=PA102&dq=Gazelle+in+Rambo+3+
Cheater+Bella&source=bl&ots=b2tEUxdIeK&sig=5ORFOiSq7dU8pwxbgI
BDVOJUP3A&hl=en&sa=X&ei=rNN7T7m0G6WeiQKL_YhP&ved=0CD8Q6A
EwAg#v=onepage&q=Gazelle%20in%20Rambo%203%20Cheater%20
Bella&f=false

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Wow, it was flown by the Cheater Bella? And it was the same Gazelle? Thanks for the links, I never knew that.



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Yep. I've been trying to find him online, but he is very hard to track down. No luck yet.



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There was an article in Rotor & Wing magazine in late '84 about the "Red Dawn" Hinds. It didn't say anything about the mods being dangerous & in fact, the new nose section gave the Puma a slightly forward CG which made it not only handle better, but gave it a little better speed. That's according to the article. As for what the Gazelle represents, I think it just represents a "mean old Soviet helo". :) I don't think I've ever heard why "Rambo" didn't have the Hind-A nose bolted on, I figured it was either a cost issue or the nose fairing(s) had gotten damaged. I don't think the Pumas were ever used with the nose fairings after "Red Dawn" in anything else.

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famvburg wrote:

There was an article in Rotor & Wing magazine in late '84 about the "Red Dawn" Hinds. It didn't say anything about the mods being dangerous & in fact, the new nose section gave the Puma a slightly forward CG which made it not only handle better, but gave it a little better speed. That's according to the article.


 

Really? FWIR, it was the wings that helped with their handling. Specifically peaking about the Rambo ones, I remember an article stating the stunt pilots loved the wings because they greatly helped in low-level flying tricks, so much that they would sometimes get too carried away! biggrin



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Stingray wrote:
famvburg wrote:

There was an article in Rotor & Wing magazine in late '84 about the "Red Dawn" Hinds. It didn't say anything about the mods being dangerous & in fact, the new nose section gave the Puma a slightly forward CG which made it not only handle better, but gave it a little better speed. That's according to the article.


 

Really? FWIR, it was the wings that helped with their handling. Specifically peaking about the Rambo ones, I remember an article stating the stunt pilots loved the wings because they greatly helped in low-level flying tricks, so much that they would sometimes get too carried away! biggrin


 The wings, too, but that's why I remember the nose, because I figured it would have hindered performance. I might still have that article somewhere...



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I discovered last night that "Rambo" isn't a trilogy. There was a fourth movie released in 2008, "Rambo" or "John Rambo" in some areas. I can't believe I missed that one until last night on Spike TV.

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I hadn't paid much attention to the Soviet Gazelle until just now, as it just wasn't high on my list, the Hind Puma being my fav, altho the Rambo one doesn't do the original Red Dawn Hind justice, but now that I've looked over the Soviet Gazelle a bit, it's quite simple, it was portaying the little- known Soviet prototype helo developed for the KGB by the Mil OKB, known as "Red Thunder". The original prototype had been destroyed when a massive political cover-up was exposed and the test pilot, Franc Murphenskoy, ran out of fuel following an aerial chase above Moscow and crash landed in front of Nikolaev - bound freight train. Mil's Red Thunder was very similar in design to the American helo prototype, "Blue Thunder", which ironically suffered a similar fate under even more ironically similar circumstances. :) I guess I now need to add a "Red Thunder" to my Blue Thunder and Gazelle display.



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Frank (if I may call you that), I think you have given Travis a new movie idea.



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