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This is a concept I just recently came across. I really dont think it was ever taken seriously as a project, as it looks basically like an unrealistically oversized Piasecki Airgeep.

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HERE COMES THE FLYING BUS Bohn Aluminum & Brass (1946)

Bohn Aluminum & Brass had an extensive series of 'vehicles of tomorrow' ads that ran post-WWII that were along the lines of showcasing possibilities, using their products - of course, rather than promoting projects.



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A flying-bus would be awesome ^^
You would worry about traffic on the streets less. ^^



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flying busses would be sweet

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Stingray wrote:

This is a concept I just recently came across. I really dont think it was ever taken seriously as a project, as it looks basically like an unrealistically oversized Piasecki Airgeep.



Don't forget this is Frank Tinsley's work. He had a way of persuing existing concepts and turning them into sci-fi types of his own...



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whose that?

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scorpio213 wrote:

whose that?


As usual, Google is your friend...

http://www.pulpartists.com/Tinsley.html

http://www.georgeglazer.com/prints/industry/boschsat.html



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google is everyones friend, except for old people who dont know how to use computers



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Oh come on, gimme a break! Some 80-year-olds use Google and the net, and you're telling me you can't type a word in a search engine?? That's preposterous!



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I think this is another one, but by "National Motor Bearing Co., Inc."\

Futuristic Mammoth Helicopter National Oil Seal (1951)



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That looks like something an artist drew and was later put in that advertisment. Except for all the windows this thing is quite similar to some helicopters that actually flew in the future.
A fake project would probably look like a UFO. I suspect that if those UFOs that some people claim to have seen were identified, they would be something that had been made for the air force. The strategy is get something that looks like a flying saucer and flys, people will see it in the air, and it will be gone before they can figure out what it really was. Now when there are all these people seeing UFOs and don't know what they have seen is, some of them will use their imaginations and propose that it could be a spacecraft from another planet.
Y'know if you search for some close up pictures of Uranus, you won't find any anywhere on the internet, but you can find plenty of pictures of other planets. I don't think there is intelligent life on this planet, but I can't be 100% sure there isn't. There is a show on the history channel where they spend an hour a week talking about all the evidence that proves extra-terrestials have been to Earth.
There has been a real flying saucer. It was an experimental aircraft made by Avro Canada. It is shaped like a flying saucer and flys using the Coanda effect. This thing actually got off the ground.
So technically its possible that aliens have landed here in a flying saucer. By "aliens" I mean citizens of Canada who got that thing to fly long enough to to have crossed our border.
It was not long after the first flight that Avro Canada suddenly went out of business.
Did the engineers who worked there on the flying saucer move to area 51? Did they build one that really worked out there in Nevada? I can't tell you why this could not have happened.

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A fake project would probably look like a UFO. I suspect that if those UFOs that some people claim to have seen were identified, they would be something that had been made for the air force. The strategy is get something that looks like a flying saucer and flys, people will see it in the air, and it will be gone before they can figure out what it really was. Now when there are all these people seeing UFOs and don't know what they have seen is, some of them will use their imaginations and propose that it could be a spacecraft from another planet.
Y'know if you search for some close up pictures of Uranus, you won't find any anywhere on the internet, but you can find plenty of pictures of other planets. I don't think there is intelligent life on this planet, but I can't be 100% sure there isn't. There is a show on the history channel where they spend an hour a week talking about all the evidence that proves extra-terrestials have been to Earth.
There has been a real flying saucer. It was an experimental aircraft made by Avro Canada. It is shaped like a flying saucer and flys using the Coanda effect. This thing actually got off the ground.
So technically its possible that aliens have landed here in a flying saucer. By "aliens" I mean citizens of Canada who got that thing to fly long enough to to have crossed our border.
It was not long after the first flight that Avro Canada suddenly went out of business.
Did the engineers who worked there on the flying saucer move to area 51? Did they build one that really worked out there in Nevada? I can't tell you why this could not have happened.


 What does this have anything to do with the fictional flying buses being discussed here?

Avro Canada didn't go out of business, they restructured it and shifted their focus away from aviation while Hawker Siddeley took over that department. Did you even read any technical reports on the VZ-9? Aside from the many control issues (major instability, fried instruments,etc) it was considered impractical for any real world use resulting in its cancellation after Avro exhausted their funding to continue. Conspiracy theories don't work here.



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Or.The Air Force hired the Canadians who worked on that thing and paid the relocation expenses for them to move to area 51 or somewhere nearby.

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Again you are letting your absurd hypothesis cloud your reality. Coincidentally Jack Frost (designer of the Arrow and Avrocar) also believed in bogus things like this and is what drove him to pursue the disk-shaped design but reality eventually caught up to him too. He used to think the Germans really built a flying saucer and the Soviets might have secretly procured documentation on the designs so naturally Frost feared that North America would fall behind in the race. Of course the Nazi UFO crap was proven bs but he didn't give up on the idea.

The special projects group (SPG) based at the Avro plant in Ontario was already a big secret funded by the USAF and army. The disk shape seemed like a good idea at the time because of the omnidirectional potential but like I said, reality grounded his little pie in the sky. (lol, see what I did there?)

It suffered from violent oscillation at over 90cm because the design suffered from frictional bleed. Nowadays it probably could've worked with digital fly-by-wire but the whole saucer design is impractical now. When the programme was scrapped Frost left to New Zealand to develop new airliners. The disbanded SPG engineers also moved on. Your idea that they went to Area 51 (seriously??) has absolutely no basis with the known facts. That isn't to say the design was not inspirational to other designers across the pond, but that is beside the point.

Did you know we have a thread on Avro projects already? This discussion should be there instead. http://stingraysrotorforum.activeboard.com/t40970957/avro-vtol-and-rotary-wing-projects/



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A fake project could be used by the air force to hide something in plain sight.
If they really did make a flying saucer, it would spin like a frisbee, and the gyrosscope effect would keep it level and horizontal, and resist any forces that would destablize it.
To keep this secret, They could use fake projects that were disc shaped and flew. People would see these things and tell people they saw a flying saucer, and other people would think they were crazy. after this happened, someone who saw the real aircraft, and said that they saw this thing that looked like a flying saucer nobody would believe them.

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Jasper, please pay attention as I'm only going to say this once.

I've been watching your posts here and quite frankly, you are way out of your element. You constantly post in the wrong sections even after being directed to the correct places, you try to push your wild claims without a shred of evidence, and you clearly have no clue about the history of ramjet development and aerodynamics but still continue to push your baseless theories. You even almost crossed into 9/11 territory in one thread. Let me ask you this: where is your proof for anything you say? You have yet to provide any source for your information, which can only mean that it is all your creation, your belief. We could care less about your personal beliefs. We are here to discuss the facts. We are not AboveTopSecret.

Try doing some simple research on my site; I have plenty of history on the main site, plus lots of documentation on helicopter aerodynamics here. Maybe then you'll develop some healthy skepticism towards your previous claims. I also direct you to the basic forum rules, which you clearly haven't read yet.

Now, if I'm wrong about this then please PROVE me wrong. The burden is on yourself for making the claims. Otherwise, you are very close to becoming banned. Consider that your final warning.



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This forum is fake projects and speculations. It is not a forum called real projects and things that have been proved.
So, in other words what you are saying is my theoretical ramjet powered drone is similar to something the Air Force really has and is trying to keep secret. You think I should not write about this in a place everyone can read it.
Do you have a topic that is more interesting than mine? Let's see it.

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I think I get the misunderstanding here. This section was created to share other existing concepts that have questionable validity and feasibility in reality, yet back then were being treated as something that could possibly work. Most of Frank Tinsley's work would apply here, as they give a general idea of what our future might have been like but in reality would not be likely and therefore never taken serious as a project. It's the validity and feasibility that we discuss here the most, and that's why the tone is still very skeptical around here.

It's not exactly a "what-if" type of board for user-generated material like yours. Which, come to think of, I should probably add to this place in addition to the user artwork sections... fantasy doesn't always have to be in art form after all.

It's also the fact that you have been posting in the regular sections with these kind of things with questionable validity, so that combined with the misunderstanding of the sections is why everyone is on you about your unrealistic stories. It's really nothing personal, and I apologize if some of us came off as rude, as we are only trying to enforce order around here.

Now that this has been cleared up, I hope we can continue to contribute and forget about this rough start, as you clearly do have enthusiasm for interacting here.



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The absurd hypothesis I am talking about is the popular idea that there is intelligent life somewhere else in the universe, therefore there must be a planet somewhere they can build a space craft that can take those aliens from out there to our planet.
The distance from here to there is too far.
I don't profess to know anything about what is in the universe outside of the solar system. All I know about that, is it would take hundreds of light years to get from there to Earth.
Now some people like to point out that NASA's Apollo program proved that a vehicle can travel though outer space. That does not prove anything except it costs too much to travel through space.
Comparing the distance from Earth to the Moon, is like someone saying that he swam from New Jersey to Manhatten, therefore if he leaves Jersey from a place further south and does the same thing, he can swim to Europe.
The idea is if you see a UFO, you can't identify it because it came from this theoretical planet. That happens on Star Trek, not in real life.
What we need to do is use the extensive knowledge of rotorcraft in this group to explain how it would be possible to make a fake UFO for a hoax, and get people to believe that any unidentified flying object is an illusion.
If this is done, then it is possible to make a weapons system that looks like a UFO therefore the enemy won't believe it exists.

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No. In that case, I direct you to AboveTopSecret again. Our primary goal is to discuss the history and development of rotorcraft, as well as sport flying, etc. I did not create this forum to justify certain UFO conspiracy theories.



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Stingray wrote:

No. In that case, I direct you to AboveTopSecret again. Our primary goal is to discuss the history and development of rotorcraft, as well as sport flying, etc. I did not create this forum to justify certain UFO conspiracy theories.


Was Jasper probed?   ;6 



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Look, I used to work for the U.S. department of defense. Their policy reguarding a weapons system that is being kept secret, is if you don't have a need to know about it, then you should not ask about it, and nobody should tell you about it.
I am not talking about a conspiracy or UFOs that are really from another planet.
What I am talking about is using disinformation to confuse the enemy.
There have many incidents where a pilot saw a UFO, but he didn't tell anyone about it, because pilots are supposed to be responsible, so if anyone thought they might be crazy, this would interfere with their carreer advancement.

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Alright, enjoy the ban as I clearly can't get through to you.

How is it so hard to understand that this is not the place for those kind of baseless speculations? I'm leaving all these posts intact as a lesson for other members who wish to interact here.



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A bit harsh?



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I try not to waste time on people like this anymore.

Let's stop from derailing the thread any further.



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